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Can you reuse the ducts on a gas to reverse cycle swap?
Inspect it, don't assume. Start with the return air, because that's where it fails most, by a long way. Reverse cycle air isn't as hot as gas, so the system has to move more of it, through a filter and a coil. Measure airflow against the new unit's design figure rather than eyeballing the ducts.
- Check first
- Return airmost common failure
- Adding a filter
- +250 to 300 mmon return grille width
- Gas supply air
- Above 50°Cnormal for indirect gas
- Reverse cycle heating
- 35 to 45°Cso much more airflow
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There's no official guide to reusing the ducts
We went looking for a design manual from the Australian Institute of Refrigeration, Air Conditioning and Heating (AIRAH), or a manufacturer technical bulletin, that deals directly with reusing gas ducted ductwork for reverse cycle. We couldn't find one.
So most of the figures here come straight from a manual, and the reasoning that joins them up is engineering inference, meaning our best judgement. We've marked which is which, because this is the kind of page where a guide can quietly go wrong.
This page would be much stronger with a published airflow figure for ducted reverse cycle, in litres per second per kW, from AIRAH's duct design manual (DA03) or load manual (DA09), or from a manufacturer's ducted design manual. We haven't found one yet, and we won't fill the gap with a guess.
Why reusing gas ducts is a close call
The two systems move different amounts of air to deliver the same heat, because gas runs a far hotter supply air temperature.
Here's what the manual confirms. On gas ducted, the first heat exchanger over temperature limit (HX OT1) usually sits at 110°C. The outlet thermistor faults if it reads above 60°C at start-up. So air coming out well above 50°C is normal for gas. Gas ducted design airflow is 50 to 70 L/s per ceiling outlet on a 150 mm outlet.
Reverse cycle supplies air at roughly 35 to 45°C in heating and 12 to 15°C in cooling. Because the air isn't as hot, you need a lot more of it to deliver the same kW. On top of that, the fan has to push it through a filter and an indoor coil, and both add resistance (static pressure).
The best proof is already in the gas manual. On a Braemar TQ3X30, adding a filter takes the return grille from 900 x 400 mm to 1200 x 400 mm. A reverse cycle indoor unit always has a filter and a coil.
What actually goes wrong, in order of how often it bites
- Return air too smallThe single most common failure. The gas era return grille and return duct won't pass reverse cycle design airflow with a filter and a coil in the way.
- Supply ducts too small, too long, or bent too tightYou get noise, air that doesn't reach across the room (poor throw), and zones that don't balance. The gas manual's own rules still apply, and old installs break them all the time. Go up 50 mm in diameter beyond 6 m and 100 mm beyond 9 m. Minimum bend radius is 1.5 times the duct diameter for duct up to 300 mm, and 2 times for 350 to 400 mm duct.
- Ducts not insulated for cooling, so they sweatGas ducted ductwork was never expected to run cold. In cooling, duct that isn't properly insulated and vapour sealed sweats and drips into ceilings. The gas manual only ever asked for insulation for the heating case.
- Tired flexible ductTrade view, not an official one. Reuse is sometimes fine on a straightforward replacement, but you have to physically inspect it. Older, deteriorated flex usually needs replacing.
- Electrical capacityTrade claim, unverified. Older homes on low amperage supplies sometimes need a switchboard upgrade, quoted at $1,500 to $2,500 on top.
- Wrong outlet typeGas ducted often uses floor registers, which should blow sideways. Floor outlets are fine for heating but poor for cooling. For cooling you want ceiling outlets blowing mostly straight down. This is the failure nobody warns the customer about.
- Zoning and the common zoneGas ducted needs one outlet always fully open, and the return in a common zone that can't be shut off. Reverse cycle zoning has its own minimum airflow rules, and the old dampers rarely line up with them.
What the conversion conversation is worth
These are rough figures from the trade, not from any standard we can cite. Use them to sanity check your own numbers, not as a price list.
And here's the honest line worth saying out loud to a customer, because it builds more trust than a bigger quote does. Sealing draughts, insulating ceilings and zoning properly does more for the bill than the system choice does on its own.
What I'd do on the quote
Lead with the return air check. Don't promise duct reuse before you've been in the roof, and don't judge it by eye. Measure airflow against the new unit's design airflow, not against how the ducts look.
And be straight about floor outlets if the house has them. A floor outlet gas system converted to reverse cycle typically cools poorly even when the airflow is fine. Saying that at quoting stage costs you some jobs. Not saying it costs you the ones you win.
Weighing up what to put in front of a customer?
Most of the hard calls aren't technical. They're about what you can stand behind when the customer rings you in February.
Kevin's been having that conversation for thirty years. Ask him.
Who this is for: small and medium HVAC contractors in Victoria. If you're a homeowner after a rebate or a repair, you need a licensed contractor, not us, and yours can point you the right way.
Related
- Hydronic heating, and what the rental rule does to itSteady radiant warmth, slow to respond. And under the 2027 rental rule, a failed gas boiler points to reverse cycle rather than an air to water heat pump.
- Does a Victorian gas heater have to be replaced with electric?If the owner lives there, a dead gas ducted heater doesn't have to go electric. Space heating was dropped from the rules. Rentals are different from 2027.
- How evaporative cooling actually worksThe gap between dry bulb and wet bulb sets how cold it can get. Efficiency decides how much of that you get. Humidity limits every brand the same way.
- Sizing an evaporative cooler on air changes per hour20 to 40 air changes an hour is the engineering range and 30 is the trade shortcut. Both are sourced. Then the 80 Pa check that decides your outlet count.
Review date: 1 April 2027. Figures in this area change without much notice and this page carries some that will go stale. Every number above is dated and sourced so you can check it yourself. If you find something out of date here, tell us and we will fix it.
